by Morgan Reynolds
This is an article I hate to write but write it I must. Sigh, food fights are such a waste of time and energy.
After my radio appearance on the Pete Santilli Show, episode #321 on Friday, January 18, 2013, Jim Fetzer, ever quick-on-the-draw, called that evening and left me the following voice mail: “Morgan, this is Jim Fetzer. I’m pretty disturbed by what I’m hearing. What in God’s name is going on? You think I had something to do with Michael Zebuhr’s murder? You think I’m some kind of disinformation op? I mean Morgan, what the fuck is going on?”
During the show I answered Santilli’s penetrating questions as honestly as I could but that was insufficient for Fetzer and his foot soldiers, who obviously demanded a vigorous, real-time defense of Jim Fetzer. A couple of Fetzer supporters sent emails calling me a disgrace and better yet, “human garbage.”
On Fetzer’s two questions, here are the answers :
- For the record, I never thought for a minute Jim Fetzer had anything to do with Michael Zebuhr’s murder so naturally I never suggested that he did. Never. Pete Santilli found Fetzer’s behavior odd, but never accused Fetzer of participating in a murder plot. Of course there is no proof to back up such an accusation either. Apparently, Fetzer was so agitated about the show that he threatened to sue American Freedom Radio which, in turn, wimped out and fired Santilli.
- Is Fetzer a disinfo op? I don’t know his motive(s). I still cannot figure him out. There may be no incriminating pay stubs (!) but my friend Andrew Johnson in England concludes that the evidence proves Fetzer is an op, and Pete Santilli seems to concur.
- Whatever Fetzer’s motives, his zig zag behavior means he is in the way. His latest gambit pushes nukes as causing the destruction of the World Trade Center and boosts proselytizers like Chuck Boldwyn (‘Buddy Hackett on speed’ according to one wag). Nukes are outright impossible because kinetic weapons of any kind contradict already known facts. That puts the nuke/kinetic diversion on a par with Steven E. Jones’ defunct thermite scam. Shuck and jive, confuse and delay, obstruct and hinder, it helps the perps. Why does Fetzer behave this way? Got me. It’s not a lack of IQ points. Op? Poor judgment? Poor scholarship? Fetzer has admitted he has not read Wood’s magnificent volume showing us what happened and he continues to display his ignorance. Inexcusable. Does his ‘big tent philosophy’ interfere with separating wheat from chaff? Is he just wrong a lot like ‘luminaries’ Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, Albert Einstein, and John Maynard Keynes?
Let’s return to the extraordinary death of Michael Zebuhr. Early in 2006 Michael, 25, was a new graduate student in engineering at Clemson University in Clemson, South Carolina. He was a native of Buchannon, WV, and a graduate of nearby Davis and Elkins College in Elkins, WV (my wife graduated from D&E in 1995), where Michael was an outstanding student in chemistry. A murder victim in a Minneapolis armed robbery, Michael was a student member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth (see www.st911.org ) founded by James Fetzer and a student in an undergraduate Mechanical Engineering class with Professor Judy Wood, the leading scientific investigator of 9/11and author of Where Did the Towers Go? The facts about Michael’s murder led several professors, including me, to wonder if MZ was killed—not because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time—but because of his participation in the effort to expose 9/11 as a false flag operation. Michael was working with Dr. Wood on a lab demonstration about aluminum glowing to settle a 9/11 controversy, displayed tremendous enthusiasm in starting a campus 9/11 group and his uncle Bill Zebuhr worked with Eugene Mallove, author of the book “Cold Fusion,” in an energy foundation. Free energy is directly linked to 9/11. To increase suspicion, Eugene Mallove was also killed in an armed robbery in May, 2004. Before he left on his fatal trip to Minneapolis, Michael said to Dr. Wood: “Promise me, no matter what happens, you will never stop pursuing this. Nothing is more important.”
I called Judy Wood the first time after Michael’s murder and asked her, “What’s the matter with Jim Fetzer?” My complaint was that Fetzer seemed incurious about the murder. Here was an assassination science researcher and a student member of his new society—Scholars for 9/11 Truth—had just been murdered. I wanted to know, was Michael’s murder connected with 9/11? Was his murder supposed to send a message to Dr. Wood and other 9/11 researchers? Or was it just a robbery gone bad?
Since I was traveling in Minnesota in August, 2008, I had an opportunity to visit and photograph the crime scene in Minneapolis as well as interview one of two black youths, Donte L. Jacobs, convicted of the armed robbery that ended Michael’s life. The interview took place 60 miles northwest of Minneapolis in the St. Cloud “correctional facility,” an old-style foreboding granite stone prison that serves as the intake center for the Minnesota prison system. As a result of this nearly two-hour interview and previous facts established about the murder, I concluded Michael’s murder had no connection to 9/11 or Dr. Wood. Yes, I could be wrong but I doubt it.
And Professor Fetzer’s missteps? In his grandiosity, he responds to criticism like King Lear: “I am a man more sinned against than sinning.” No one accused Fetzer of Michael’s murder yet he screams for vindication? He appoints “cold fusion” disinfo agent and ‘termite’ Pied Piper Steven E. Jones as his chief sidekick in Scholars, condemns research results on no 9/11 planes without studying the evidence, facilitates Greg Jenkins’ ambush interview of Dr. Judy Wood in January 2007, trashes John Hutchison as a fraud absent serious investigation, disparages Dr. Wood’s book and claims it does not contain information that it actually does contain, and on and on. Fetzer’s got a lot of nerve to call Judy Wood “scientifically irresponsible.” Can you say ‘Disappointing’? Mr. P puts it to the oh-so responsible Fetzer: “Was the lethal radiation shipped to China along with the invisible steel?” One sentence to blow up Fetzer’s pet nuke theory.
nomoregames.net 
http://www.takeourworldback.com/fetzersunstein.htm
WTF? Completly Dumbfounded.
Man this guy is clearly unstable and irrational.
I had to reread this twice, to track the the timeline given and how he can possibly rationalize these events, hell if the account is true. What in the hell was his based conclusion.
In 2006 fetzer was the only truth movement. Founders (used in the loosest sense possible.)
That gave her any support or promotion.
Held the irrational delusion for 2 years until speaking to the murderer directly and it being put to rest. Then what the hell would have spoken about it 5 years after. Furthermore almost comically. Is this whole bullshit rational explanation and somehow is somehow turned on fetzer for leaving a voicemail understandably upset and asking for an explanation. There’s a million plus reasons why fetzer should have long since lost any legitimate attention. Promoting Judy woods being at the top of that list.
I am still sickened by how the crazies have taken over. 9/11 was a horrific tragedy and a key catalyst for the past 2 decades of needless slaughters of millions, accelerating the theft and transferring of American wealth into the hands of just a few, and trumpeted in a series of events, that further hindered an already broken legislative representation, and given real control of our government to non elected appointees.
In that tragic aftermath, the arrogance and greed
Morgan et al ~ Re Fetzer & others, see “‘Stewed Web’: Dividing & Conquering Veterans+” by Thomas J. Mattingly at http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/07/stewed-web-dividing-conquering-veterans (“EXPOSED! Stew Webb, an off the cliff fringe blogger, continues to slander truth tellers around the globe with contempt and impunity”).
jfetzer said: “… for clarification, there are basically three groups (or positions) about the destruction of the Twin Towers and the WTC:”
THAT IS NOT TRUE! , Mr Fetzer- there are FOUR prominent positions on the 9/11 demolitions, that is, the 3 you mentioned, plus the one you handily leave out, which is [as you well know] :
That the “live” imagery on the MSM networks on 9/11 was 100% prefabricated CGI imagery broadcast as being live, that fraudulently showed CGI collapses as live, while all actual WTC demolitions were actually carried out off-screen, off-camera, behind military smoke-screens/obscurants, in Manhattan that day.
All 3 other main demolition theories you list rely on the entirely unproven veracity of the imagery released that allegedly shows the WTC destructions, when , in point of fact _none_ of that alleged live imagery holds up to close analysis.
For example, see: “CGI Collapse footage : http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=802
Regards, onebornfree
Mr. Fetzer is a well regarded reporter at Veterans Today ; does not mean i agree or disagree with him . There are too many opinions out there and no common ground . I have all the transcripts of the 911 Commission , and have often wondered , why no one refers to any specific hearing ?
12 hearings , 3/ 31 /2003 ( one week after the war started in Iraq , 3/ 23 / 03 ) to 6/ 17 / 2004 . With time after to edit their skimpy interviews . Filing 6 charges against the FAA & DOD , without accusing anyone of wrongdoing , to avert their Presidential orders and the Vote in 2004 .
The charges have been whitewashed .
Article: “911 Scams:Professor Jim “First Blush” Fetzer’s Trashing of The Scientific Method” :
http://onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2013/11/911-scams-professor-jim-first-blush.html
Regards, onebornfree.
P.S. To further clarify, Judy Wood, Steven Jones, Andrew Johnson etc. are all guilty of the exact same “crime” as Jim Fetzer 🙂 .
MSM zombies ;on 911 Chuckie Gibson and Diane Sawyer , reporting the events as they occurred . If that / they weren’t reading a script , i will eat my hat .
Does anyone have any knowledge of the 911 Hearings (not the 911 Report crap”). The 12 meetings between January 2003 to June 17, 2004 ? posted on one bornfree
Negentropic said: ” falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus-False in one particular, false in everything.”
I totally agree. However, I think its worth remembering that in a trial by jury, whether or not a particular juror applies that principle or not in any particular case is ultimately their own personal choice, not the judges.
The judge simply points out to the jurors that that principle _may_ be applied to an individuals witness testimony, by an individual juror, if they so wish, but all jurors are not “required” to so do.
So outside of a trial situation you and I may ruthlessly apply that principle to the 9/11 evidence ourselves, but we could become extremely frustrated individuals if we then assume/believe that everyone else “_should_” apply that principle [assuming they are even aware of it].
For a number of psychological reasons, even if made aware of that principle of law, most will choose to simply ignore it and carry on as before, unfortunately.
So you and I are always going to be continually confronted by individuals who claim that :
“yes, some of the photos, videos were faked, but we should not therefor assume that all photos/videos from the same source are also fake”.
Or even: ” yes, I agree, parts of this guys video are fake, but that does not mean the entire video is fake” .
Sad but true 🙂
Regards, onebornfree. http://www.onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com
Recently ,they found a motor ,or some contraption lodged between 2 buildings . WOW . No parts fell at the site ,like wings ,etc. that would have fallen with that impact .
The truth is in the 911 Hearings , 12 of them ; from 2003 to 2004 . In August of that year , 6 charges were filed against the DOD and FAA ;they were DOA . Mead , OIG , FAA , and Schmitz ,OIG ,DOD .
No one would notice if they just went on their merry way .No one did notice . Shame on all the “intellects ” fighting about paper planes .
Dr. Morgan is “Correct ” in his theory . That we have to agree on .
911 Toronto was not only boring ,and never accomplished whatever they were attempting to do .
Same with 911 Van ‘couver . Who am i to criticize the Brainy ones ,who never lived in a real world .
I have read books the these people who profess to have knowledge would not read . Only “yucks” like myself can find all the evidence you need in 3 books .
Without Precedent ,”Kean , Chairman of the 911 Commission .
Ground Truth ,”Farmer ,; leader of Team 8 , hired by Kean ,and turned out to be the only honest person on the Commission Staff ( John Azzarello ,his aide , forced Phil Z . to place the Charges against DOD & FAA.
The other ,is a fantastic story that happened in the skies on 911 ; Narrated by Ben Sliney , the NOM AT HERNDON ,VA. FAA HEADQUARTERS . He was given credit for bringing down all the planes after 9:30AM.
You would have to watch the video from June 17 , 2004 ; 12th meeting held by the Commission .
Lets stop arguing and following the paper work . No need for bombs , planes , falling buildings .
They were so faked ,it is incredible that people believe this crap.
Search the internet for the Sikorski Helicopter . Tracon -90 ,NY Radar Terminal ,that follows planes lower than the ATC ‘s at the airports .
This guy must be incredibly stupid not to know that I retired in 2006. I am doing what I can to expose falsehoods and reveal truths about JFK, 9/11, Wellstone and other controversial and complex cases. I bring together experts on different aspects of these cases who know more than I about the human brain, ballistics, X-rays and medical evidence, and photos and films, which led to shattering the cover up in the assassination of JFK. I did the same for the plane crash that took the life of Sen. Paul Wellstone. I founded Scholars for 9/11 Truth to accomplish the same goal, but encountered resistance from Steve Jones, Kevin Ryan and others when I featured Judy Wood on my radio program on 11 November 2006. None of you seem to care about all of my efforts to support her in the early days when no one else would give her the time of day. When I have exposed the myth of explosive nanothermite and even posted a 5-star review of her book, no one seems to care about that, either, except that I pointed out that she had not excluded the use of mini or micro nukes in her work. Not only was I right about that, but we have proven it in spades. Any serious scientist would revise their work to take these new findings into account, but Judy and her followers (Andrews, Naus, and other dim bulbs) seem to believe that revising her work would make it less perfect, which is one of the reasons why I regard her little group, not as a research effort, but as an ideological cult, dominated by core dogmas (DEWs), a sacred text (WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO?), a mystical leader (Judy Wood), and a fanatic praetorian guard that threatens to dismember anyone who challenges the faith, no matter how sound their reasons for doing so or how powerful their proof. These attacks on someone who has done more to expose the corruption of the government than anyone attacking him are a suitable example of the prevalence of dogmatism over science among the followers of Dr. Judy Wood, sad to say.
Well sir Fetzer , I care not that you are retired ( so am i ; since i was 62 . i am now 79 , You wrote about Paul Welstone ? Did you know that Charles Pereira ,was on the Staff of the 911 Commission ? He investigated Paul’s crash , and other famous crashes .He and his boss ,HALL ,at NTSB , did the most elaborate reconstruction of Flight 800 .;John O’Neill ,FBI was investigating this case from the minute it happened . Someone at NTSB managed to deceive the FBI, about a “blip ” on the radar screen . Just like all the blips on 911 . This case involved Jamie Gorelick ,911 Commissioner .She began working at Wilmer Hale Dorr Cutler in 2003 , while still a Commissioner .( Conflict of interest ? why ? )Mueller and Marcus & Steve Dunne & Dana Hyde , all worked for this firm at one time or another . Here you have 4 of the top investigators working for one firm . This firm then bought or leased ,15 floors at the WTC. Dfinitely no conflict here either . The only people that Kean mentioned ,at the second hearing ,that might be in conflict (because of connections ( h )airlines . were Gorelick , Fielding , and one other ??? .
I have no need to discuss planes, bombs , falling buildings . I believe i told you once that the proof is all in the hearings ,especially the 12th ;June 17 , 2004 . The FAA was clearly lying ,and complicit with the entire Commission. Hall Associates ,hired Pereira after they ( he )left NTSB >
Have you ever heard of a show called “Colombo “/? A tv program with a detective that always dressed like a slob , smoked a cigar , and looked stupid . But managed to find the killers with his mental processes . That’s me in a nutshell . I have the goods , but no money to put it out there . Thank you for being so kind to respond . Makes the world go round ,Faster .
Reading my comment, Joe, I don’t believe I meant to be targeting you, specifically. Your views are reasonable compared to those of others who are attacking me here. Sorry for that. Best wishes for 2015! You and I are close to the same age, but you are my senior.
Thanks Jim , I have no intention of criticizing any one . I don’t dwell on the buildings .or the explosions . I only deal with the human aspect ;
One of them , Victoria “Tory ” Clark , left the Pentagon shortly after 911 ; Rumsfeld “girl “friday was #41 Press Secretary on his re-election ; Houghton Mifflin and Clark produced the video of Nurse Nayirah , (on line i believe , you tube ) this led bush lie to the congress , and lede to Gulf War . Prince Bandar and Wolfowitz were the only two civilians involved . Now comes Iraq . Wolfowitz and Bandar ( Powell , Negroponte , Tenet ,at the U.N. ) Iran / Contra fellows . Cheney and Hamilton lead the committee to ” clear bush “.
Bush and Kean on the board of Directors at Aramark . Aramark restaurant at the top of WTC. Aramark in the Pentagon . Kean isDirector of Fiduciary Trust . He is in with all the Port Authority powers to be . Lewis Eisenberg . head of P.A.
The passport is one of my favorites ; the terrorist opened a window and threw it out randomly . Some lucky citizen could have made a fortune on this souvenir .
I commend everyone who / whom is working on any project regarding 911 truth . Sincerely , the sleeper .
Jim,
(if the moderator will allow)a bit off topic but I only ask as I believe you are a rare man of integrity, the thing is , this Obama aggressive posturing over the alleged August 21(?)chemical attacks in Syria, firstly if the US had all this “intelligence” about (1) intercepted calls from Assad to a disbelieving general ordering the attacks (2) they observed government troops in hazchem suits for three days preparing the target area and (3) suspicious movements around chemical weapon stores WHY didn’t they forewarn the alleged 1400 victims, evacuate, hand out gas masks, antidotes etc.? And now we have Syria trading away there WMD deterrent,, if Obama doesn’t concede a binding agreement NOT to intervene and stops all covert support for the rebels in exchange for Assad’s chemical weapon disarmament it will prove his true agenda was intervention to affect regime change and not, as he claims defending international law on chemical warfare.I’d be interested to hear your views on this Jim.(re. 9/11…did you suspect the BBC ‘Conspiracy Files’ crew were making a hit piece when they interviewed you?)
As it happens, I have published quite a lot about the Syrian situation and Obama and Kerry, two of the world’s biggest liars and frauds. Here are some of those I have published in Veterans Today:
“Passing Gas in Syria and Endless Israeli “False Flag” Attacks”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/25/passing-gas-in-syria-and-endless-israeli-false-flag-attacks/
“Israel gets its want: WWIII, not if but when–and soon!”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/27/israel-gets-its-want-wwiii-not-if-but-when-and-soon/
“US attack on Syria would violate international law”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/02/us-attack-on-syria-would-violate-international-law/
“Are we going to war with Syria over a natural gas pipeline?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/07/are-we-going-to-war-with-syria-over-a-natural-gas-pipeline/
“Obama lies, Syrians die: What is wrong with this picture?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/08/obama-lies-syrians-die-whats-wrong-with-this-picture/
“Obama treachery: War crimes, Syrian atrocities and WWIII”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/13/obama-treachery-war-crimes-syrian-atrocities-and-wwiii/
There are others, but for a short take on my views, see this interview with Press TV:
“US, Russian deal over Syrian CWs ‘a great defeat for Zionism'”
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/09/14/323964/great-defeat-zionism-syria-deal/
On the BBC, there was a chance I might get across some key points; otherwise, I could expose it:
“The BBC’s instrument of 9/11 misinformation”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/03/the-bbcs-instrument-of-911-misinformation/
You are on record as calling Dr Wood a limited hangout…Do you still claim that is true?
I, TOO, AM FED UP WITH FETZER ; HE IS LOSING HIS GRIPON 911 ,JOE BELL . WILL COMMENT ON BLOG LSTER. THANKS
A. Johnson said: “That’s funny – an anonymous internet poster writing this. …….All you can do is post anonymously on the internet. What does that tell everyone?”
Thank you for such a clear-as-day demonstration of your own, err… “scientific” logic.[or rather , lack thereof]. Now _that,_ _is_ funny 🙂 .
Such a hopelessly transparent attempt at a straw man argument from somebody who, out of the other side of his mouth continually urges others :”Why don’t you just stick to the evidence?”, “check the evidence” etc. etc. , blah,blah,blah.
What exactly has my choice of internet anonymity have to do with the evidence I present?
Exactly nothing!
This type of idiotic statement from you “should” give at least some of yours and Wood’s rabid fans pause for thought, but alas, on prior experience , I’d have to say that “stupid is as stupid does” and as with Wood herself, they will all just ignore the obvious signs of intellectual insincerity you continually cough up. [But all the same, thank you so very much 🙂 ]
So, to use your very own words, printed elsewhere in this very thread: “Why don’t you just stick to the evidence” Hmmm?
The evidence I present at my blog-site, using Wood’s very own words and her very own graph, very clearly illustrates that she has :
1] …entirely misrepresented [ either deliberately or due to her own incompetence], the NOAA data regarding Hurricane Erin’s actual position relative to NYC on the morning of 9/11 by a full six hours [as per NOAA data, it was actually closest to NYC at 2am, _not_ 8am as Wood claims] : http://www.onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2013/04/911-scams-junk-science-of-dr-judy-wood_7.html .
2] …at the same time she has also either deliberately [or via incompetence], entirely misrepresented the time at which Erin turned to the right [away from NYC , again by a full 6 hours, as I also demonstrate very clearly here further down the same page: http://www.onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2013/04/911-scams-junk-science-of-dr-judy-wood_7.html .
3] she has _never_ [to this day] made any serious attempt to investigate the possibility that Erin’s movements were 100% explainable via the simultaneous occurrence of an on record meteorological event far larger than Erin, _before_ reaching her conclusions, as I demonstrate here: http://www.onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2013/04/911-scams-junk-science-of-dr-judy-wood.html .
Indeed, the only acknowledgement she gives to this massive natural event that has the power to move hurricanes around is apparently one single paragraph in her book! [I have not read the book so I am relying on others reports as to its content in this regard] .
4] ..also in complete disregard for the standard scientific methodology, she has never to this day conducted an in depth investigation into the authenticity of even one single photograph or video she has used as” irrefutable evidence” either in her book , or on her website, _before_ reaching her conclusions- [or even after 🙂 ].
The only video photographic authenticity checking done by her, as far as I’m aware was some sort of obscure name verification procedure for photos/videos. [As if “proving” that a person actually exists means that the photo or video they claim to have shot is actually genuine!].
Not only does she not even have the skills and experience to do such photographic analysis, apparently no one else on her “team” has those analysis skills either !
See: http://www.onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2013/04/911-scams-junk-science-of-dr-judy-wood_2849.html
All very sad , methodologically speaking. And so it goes, in the land of Judy Wood “true believers”.
Regards, onebornfree.
Some of these comments are stupid beyond belief. How could I be concerned with advancing my career WHEN I AM ALREADY RETIRED?
I have spent more than two decades exposing government complicity in the assassination of JFK, the atrocities of 9/11 and the death of Sen. Paul Wellstone.
None of you have done anything remarkably comparable: three books on JFK, one on 9/11 and another on Wellstone, dozens of articles and around 1,000 interviews.
Anyone can confirm it by doing a search on “Jim Fetzer, JFK”, “Jim Fetzer, 9/11”, or “Jim Fetzer, Sen. Paul Wellstone”. You are all blowing smoke out your ass. None of you know me.
None of you know the evidence. None of you gives a shit, because you are fawning members of the Judy Wood cult. None more subservient than Matt Naus, who used to have a brain.
He lost it somewhere along the way. None of you can cope with the least criticism of Judy or her book, which turns out to be seriously flawed. Look at my amazon.com review.
There are around 3,000 attacks on me for pointing out that she may have disposed of large or maxi nukes but not mini or micro nukes. You won’t even look at the evidence.
We have here all the characteristics of a cult: core dogmas (DEWs), a holy text (WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO?), a fiercely devoted following who will brook no criticism.
The idea that there is anything “scientific” going on there is completely ridiculous. Judy has turned into a loon and even denies she has a theory, which means she can’t explain anything.
None of you seem to care. The few intelligent souls here, such as Shallel, are pilloried for having the nerve to point out how much I have done to promote the work of Wood, Reynolds and Baker.
But that is the simple historical truth. Those who would deny such obvious facts about me and my efforts to promote 9/11 are not going to have anything of value to contribute.
And the petty whining and self-serving attacks on other with no warrant or justification confirm it. This a cult, pure and simple. No science here. For that you must look elsewhere.
I still have that BRAIN or I wouldn’t be able to make this reply. It took some years, but my brain cleared out all that junk information I got for close to 5 years with the likes of you and a number of other so called researchers and now my brain is clear enough to evaluate real empirical evidence without the interference of frauds.
Typical Matt Naus: never any specifics, never any arguments,
only vague denunciations. He doesn’t understand any of this
and it is sad to see him forfeiting his rationality to join a cult.
Have A&E looked for convential explosives in the dust?You all talk about the thermite found but have you looked for explosives.
Robert, for clarification, there are basically three groups (or positions) about the destruction of the Twin Towers and the WTC: (1) Judy and her DEW group; (2) A&E911 and its nanothermite view; and (3) Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Veterans Today with mini or micro nukes. I founded Scholars in December 2005 and invited Steve Jones to be my co-chair at the recommendation of David Ray Griffin. But by June of 2006, I had become very skeptical about nanothermite and began looking at other views, where I did the first of fifteen interviews with Judy on 11 November 2006.
That displeased Steve and he, Kevin Ryan and others split from Scholars to form their own group, Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice. I have published three articles with T. Mark Hightower, which expose that nanothermite cannot possibly have been responsible for blowing the buildings apart:
“Has nanothermite been oversold to the 9/11 Truth community?”
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2011/05/has-nanothermite-been-oversold-to-911.html
“Is ‘9/11 Truth’ based upon a false theory?”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/17/is-911-truth-based-upon-a-false-theory/
“Nanothermite: If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit!”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/27/nanothermite-if-it-doesnt-fit-you-must-acquit/
Since their studies are rooted in dust samples, they should appreciate the far more extensive dust sample studies conducted by the US Geological Survey, which demonstrate the presence of many elements that would not be present had this not been a nuclear event. It was my making precisely that observation in my review of WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO? that has led Judy and some of her followers (who have published comments here) to have attacked me some 5,000 times–and I am not talking about 5,000 comments on her book but 5,000 attacks on my review of her book!
That, of course, is completely unscientific, since science requires basing your reasoning on all the relevant information that is available, where I earned my Ph.D. in the history and the philosophy of science on which I have published extensively; but neither she nor the A&E911 group (which has merged with Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan and the others from Truth and Justice) have been willing to do that. When Richard Gage recently appeared on C-SPAN, therefore, I felt he was taking the 9/11 Truth movement back in time by continuing to discuss nanothermite but not what else was involved:
“On C-SPAN, Richard Gage leaves 9/11 Truth in a ‘time-warp’”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/04/on-c-span-richard-gage-leaves-911-truth-in-a-time-warp/
“Limited hangouts: Richard Gage, A&E911 and the Journal of 9/11 Studies”, http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/14/limited-hangouts-kevin-ryan-ae911-and-the-journal-of-911-studies/
Only the use of mini or micro nukes (which appear to have been neutron bombs) appears to be able to explain the available evidence, where these devices provide far more energy than conventional explosives and can be directed (upward, in this case). This means that, strictly speaking, they are DEWs, too, but ones that are far better known than those to which Judy appeals. I wish it were not the case, but those who follow her display the characteristics of a cult, not of a scientific research group, by having a sacred text, a mystical leader and a praetorian guard, which defends her and attempts to slay any infidels who question the faith. In spite of my having publicized her research again and again (including giving her an unprecedented three-hours to speak in Madison 2007), I am among those she and her followers have sought to demonize in the best tradition of crusades, which should be completely apparent from many of the comments that have been posted here.
JAMES FETZER : why was no one interested in all the paper that flew out of the building . Finding the “passport ” on the ground before the buildings “came down” , was quite a feat : I have not heard or read many responses to this ;along with 2 at the Shanksville site : The FBI reported the plane crashed near Camp David: The 9`11 Report and the Public Meetings verify this . No one really mentions Shanksville in any meaningful way .
Joseph, Sorry not to have replied sooner, but this thread has only now been revived and, since Morgan has been allowing different sides to present their views, there may be virtues in continuing the exchange. I agree that the paper is puzzling and a form of evidence that Judy’s DEWs may be better able to explain than mini or micro nukes.
I welcome your thoughts about the paper. The passport was an obvious plant, of course, which otherwise could not have survived, even though the jet fuel based fires were not caused by real planes hitting the buildings–a point on which Morgan and I agree. I discuss Shanksville and the Pentagon, where my latest on the Pentagon are:
“Reflections on the Pentagon: A 9/11 photographic review” http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/16/reflections-on-the-pentagon-a-911-photographic-review/
“9/11 Update: More proof no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12/02/911-update-more-proof-no-boeing-757-hit-the-pentagon/
On 9/11 generally, here are my two most recent discussions of where things now stand:
“Top Ten 9/11 Cons: ‘Fraud Vitiates Everything’”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/21/top-ten-911-cons-fraud-vitiates-everything-fve/
911 Talks Ep #46 with James H Fetzer Powerpoint of Complete 911 Overview
Where to begin? I featured Judy Wood 15 times on my radio shows in an ongoing effort to make her work known to the public. I published a chapter by her in THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY (2007). I gave her an unprecedented three-hours to speak during the Madison Conference. Even though I had long-since concluded that her paranoia had gotten the better of her, I STILL invited her to speak during The Vancouver Hearings. Before the hearings, I had posted a 5-star review of her book. I pointed out that, while her arguments had excluded maxi nukes, they did not appear to exclude micro or mini nukes–which was well demonstrated during The Vancouver Hearings.
I listend to the shill Santilli and Morgan’s drivel on the air. I had featured him just weeks before on “The Real Deal”. He clearly implied that he thought I might have had something to do with the death of Michael Zebuhr. I contacted the detective handling the case TWICE and created a memorial to his memory on 911scholars.org, where you can view it to this day. I am not the kind of detective that would have made it appropriate for me to have traveled to Minneapolis to take a look for myself at the “crime scene”. What would that have accomplished? Morgan himself says he doesn’t think 9/11 had anything to do with it. And I was in Duluth, 125 miles north, at the time.
I used to think Matt Naus was a good guy, but he flipped over the deep end some time ago. The practices of Judy Wood and her group constitute those of a cult: they have sacred dogmas (DEWs), a holy text (WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO?), a mythical leader (Judy Wood herself), a number of devoted followers (including Matt Naus and others here) and a pretorian guard who savages anyone who challenges the faith (Andrew Johnson, Eric Larson, Morgan Reynolds and other untold). Even after I gave her book a 5-star review, I was viciously attacked, where more than 2,000 comments were posted. After the hearings, I downgraded it to 3-stars, because it was apparent on scientific grounds–especially the USGS dust samples–that she did not deserve 5.
No one here seems to be aware of my history with Judy, but it makes a difference in reviewing how all of this turned out. I did not have to read every part of her book, because I had gone over her web site many, many times during the course of those interviews. I probably did more to bring her work to the attention of the public than anyone else on Earth prior to the publication of her book. Since then, Eric Larson, Thomas Potter, and others have done more than I, which I freely concede. But that’s the way things go. That Morgan has turned on me dumbfounds me, where his feeble attempts at self-justification don’t cut it. Egad! I featured Morgan as my guest on “The Real Deal” just weeks before his incredibly performance on The Pete Santilli Show on “Atheism vs. Agnosticism”, 24 December 2012.
For those who care about historical accuracy, equitable treatment and the truth, take a look at:
“Judy Wood and DEWs: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/08/20/judy-wood-and-dews-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/
“Lunatics ‘R Us: The Santilli/Sunstein/Wood Gambit”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/20/lunatics-r-us-the-santilliwoodsunstein-gambit/
“9/11 Truth will out: The Vancouver Hearings II”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/12/911-truth-will-out-the-vancouver-hearings-ii/
“Mini Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle” with Don Fox, Clare Kuehn, Jeff Prager, Jim Viken, Dr. Ed Ward and Dennis Cimino
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/29/mini-neutron-bombs-a-major-piece-of-the-911-puzzle/
“Mystery Solved: The 9/11 was Nuked on 9/11” by Don Fox, Dr. Ed Ward, and Jeff Prager
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/01/mystery-solved-the-wtc-was-nuked-on-911/
As Anonymous admitted, even though I had sent him many links, he hadn’t read any of them, which is what I would expect from a group like this. I know Judy’s work. I cite those parts of relevance to my criticism. But no one here knows my work or could bring themselves to admit that, had I not promoted her work in those early days when everyone else was either ignoring or dismissing her, it would be unsurprising if no one would know of her today. There is other rubbish here, of course, including that I set her up for the hatchet-job review by Craig Jenkins, when in fact I was furious with him and we nearly came to blows. But none of that matters to the likes of Andrew Johnson, Matt Naus, Morgan Reynolds, or Judy Woods. It is stunning.
Mr Fetzer does not seem to know that nukes do not cause the effects documented and observed at the WTC. None of the disclosed types of nuclear technology explain the effects! Just look at the available evidence and you will see that THIS is what matters! And that is why Matthew Naus, myself and Dr Wood continue to talk about the evidence while Mr Fetzer cannot stick to it – he HAS to divert FROM it because it exposes the truth – about what happened. Studying Mr Fetzer’s actions reveals the truth about him, too. It’s not a difficult concept to grasp – evidence studying leads to the truth. Over time, those like Mr Fetzer will simply “fade away”….
Here a collection of evidence to “get you going”. I think it’s pretty comprehensive…
http://tinyurl.com/911ftb
An early study by Dr. Ed Ward, which may be worth consideration on this thread:
The US Government’s usage of atomic bombs at the WTC, by Ed Ward MD
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/24/ward.htm
Sources: Declassified August 1958: Mere fact that the U. S. has developed atomic munitions suitable for use in demolition work.”Declassified January 1967, The fact that we are interested in and are continuing studies on a weapon for minimizing the emerging flux of neutrons and internal induced activity.”
Declassified March 1976, The fact of weapon laboratory interest in Minimum Residual Radiation (MRR) devices. The fact of successful development of MRR devices.
The factual evidence indicates that our government is using and has used 3rd or possibly 4th generation hydrogen bombs domestically and internationally. The evidence for international usage is not quite as strong as the domestic usage, but when domestic usage is considered the international usage seems inescapable.
The process of exclusion based on the known facts leaves only one viable option for the destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings – a relatively pure hydrogen bomb.
Just some of the facts are: widespread cancer in the responders, molten steel, melted cars, steel beams hurled hundreds of feet, aerosolized metals, vaporized steel witnessed and video, aerosolized and pulverized concrete, elevated tritium levels, vanishing (vaporized) victims, only sliver fragments of victims on roof tops.
EMP – Electro Magnetic Pulse effects on communications, hundreds of eyewitness testimony of ancillary explosions by heroic rescuers and victims, massive dispersal of debris (large ‘missiles’ up to 1,600 feet – small ‘missiles’ up to 0.5 miles), demolition expert states hydrogen bomb needed for this type of demolition.
Audio of a massive explosion prior to collapse, video of ancillary explosions, audio of ancillary explosions, significant reduction in debris pile, ancillary thermate found in wreckage, shockwave of a mini yield nuclear blast knocked people off their feet, vaporization of 200,000 gallons of water.
Removal of wreckage without investigation, only remnants of fire in one tower minutes after the plane collision, unprecedented history of 3 skyscrapers collapsing secondary to fire, early miscalculation stating WTC building 7 ‘pulled’, towers fall at demolition or free fall speed, foreknowledge of WTC 7 immediate collapse, slow-motion video evidence of plane appendage with smoke and explosion immediately prior to impact of both planes.
Unprecedented NORAD non response to variant flights, FEMA drill scheduled for same day, military ‘exercise’ of exactly what was taking place to prevent NORAD response, most of NORAD protection planes sent far away in another ‘exercise’ to prevent response, prevention of examination of wreckage by those assigned to investigate, seismic evidence of a mini yield nuclear explosion.
Cheney takes over NORAD response command, Cheney prevents NORAD response, WTC towers designed for 757 collision and fire, 911 used falsely for previously planned war, government fabrication of ‘evidence’ correlation for starting war, hundreds of people found themselves trapped by locked doors and missing escape routes above and below the impact zone, and not all inclusively, but finally, Bush brands anyone noting any of these facts a terrorist.
The spectrum and percentages of cancer are massive, there are at least 4 classifications of blood-cell cancers: leukemia, lymphoma, Hodgkin’s and myeloma, as well there are many more classifications of soft tissue cancers including brain cancer, and breast cancer, for most of these there are subclassifications of many different types of specific cancer in each, so far not publicly disclosed. There are huge percentages of respiratory distress and loss of function.
Multiple reports of ‘irregular cycles’ (miscarriages?). Most likely there will be several more types of cancer to follow. In particular, responders should be checked for thyroid cancer and function. There has been no noting of birth defects which also needs to be done. There is one thing and only one thing that can cause all these cancers and problems.
RADIATION.
In response to this myriad of disease, a statement of environmental mercury has been claimed. That claim is not verified in testing of air and particle debris samples by private citizens and organizations. It is possible the mercury quotes are from the federal source of science, the United States Geological Survey’s analysis of the WTC dust debris.
The USGS’s leached analysis did show mercury at the 3rd lowest concentration of metals at the mean value (mv) of 0.011 parts per Billion (ppB). The most abundant element concentration in the leaching tests was Strontium at 1,000 ppB (1 ppM) – 100,000 times more than the mercury value.
It appears that the leaching of the sample was only partial and inadequate as the reader will see from the spectrometry values. Why would only mercury be quoted when there were so many other more dangerous elements at higher concentrations than mercury?
While the regular elements like Copper – mv 136 ppM, Silver – mv 1.66 ppM, and Vanadium – mv 31 ppM, some of the other significant elements were: Barium – mv 533 ppM, Strontium – mv 727 ppM, Cerium – mv 91 ppM, Yttrium – mv 57 ppM, Lanthanum – mv 46 ppM, Molybdenum – mv 11 ppM, Thorium – mv 9 ppM, Uranium – mv 3 ppM, Beryllium – mv 3 ppM, and Cesium – mv 0.6 ppM – partial listing.
For readers that are not familiar with most of these elements, here is a link to their relevance. There is also a claim of environmental benzene that ‘permeated’ the area in jet fuel as the cause of all of these problems. Once again, we have the quoting of the miraculous jet fuel that burns up in a massive fireball in the first few minutes, then like Christ’s feeding the multitudes, still causes a massive fire inside that reaches the temperatures of a Hades that weakens massive fire proofed steel beams and trusses, then resurrects itself on the permeated ground to cause cancer in one hour of limited exposure.
In less than 1 hour, the first WTC building had collapsed and covered Manhattan, in at least 1/3 of a Million Tons of particulate debris. Unless the jet fuel makes a final appearance and is again resurrected by NIST in it’s 3rd miracle, benzene is buried under 1/3 of a million tons of particulate debris after 56 minutes of exposure.
Benzene is also a component of gasoline. The assertion that cancer was the result of 56 minutes of exposure to minimal amounts of benzene is ludicrous. If that was true, everyone in the US would be suffering from cancers. As the 3rd WTC building falls, Manhattan is covered in two Billion pounds of pulverized and aerosolized building.
Two billion pounds seemed like an extremely large amount of particulate matter from buildings whose total weight has been quoted at around 3 billion pounds. Debris removal has been quoted at 1.2 billion pounds. Based on these rough numbers 2/3rds of the building was indeed turned to dust or vaporized.
Live loads on these [perimeter] columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs.” “One could cut away all the first-story columns on one side of the building, and part way from the corners of the perpendicular sides, and the building could still withstand design loads and a 100-mph wind force from any direction.”
Judy Wood is either a very bad scientist, or some sort of disinfo agent. My 4 part expose of her almost complete lack of use of the scientific methodology, coupled with an apparently deliberate misrepresentation of official data she publishes in a graph, regarding the movements/ position of Hurricane Erin, can be read here: “9/11 Scams: The Junk-Science of Dr. Judy Wood- Part 1”: http://www.onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2013/04/911-scams-junk-science-of-dr-judy-wood_6336.html
regards, onebornfree.
Those reading this latest post decide for yourself by reading her book and coming to your own conclusions.
Those reading this latest post read Dr Wood’s book and decide for yourself. Come to your own conclusions not the conclusions of this poster.
ONEBORNFREE :of what ,not listening ,or making better solutions , or points . Stay free , i was born a slave ,but think for myself .
Have you ever seen or read the 911 Commissions , 12 Public Meetings ,or watch the videos ?
“Judy Wood is either a very bad scientist, or some sort of disinfo agent. ”
That’s funny – an anonymous internet poster writing this. Dr Judy Wood submitted the evidence to court in 2007 – as did Dr Morgan Reynolds. All you can do is post anonymously on the internet. What does that tell everyone?
Jesse Ventura believes in Dr.Judy Wood’s work .HE HIMSELF SPENT TOO MUCH TIME ON THEatrics in his research .If you really want to watch TV fakery ,look at Charles Gibson and Diane Sawyer ,WABC -7 ; 19 minutes into their program that morning ,911 began . They looked like amateurs in their first stage production .
You can watch for the Web Can go by while they are talking ,never mentioning what it was . Whereas Aaron Brown said it right away ,on his program . I will send Dr.Morgan the URL /actual video ,and let him put it on the this blog.
They talk to Dan Dahler on the show . He says ,”it sounded like a missile ,:whoosh . Later on Dan D. tries to convince Peter Jenkins that it was a plane .
Jenkins was offed ,because he knew about the AWACS , over D.C. prior to the Pentagon’s explosion. To verify his story ,one needs to read parts of a book called “,Touching History “,by Lyn Spencer . ( the book is written for and about ,Ben Sliney ,the National Operations Manager at
FAA HQ. Command Center on 911 .) Sliney ,according to Morgan , is the main culprit on 911 . Since they were never in contact with NEADS / NORAD ,at anytime during that day /. There never were any Hijack coordinators anywhere , on 911 .
I will leave that to Dr. Morgan to elaborate ? if he wishes . I can / will fill in details if he needs me to do it .
Hey, learn how to type OK? Try using some capitals and not putting a space between your last word and punctuation as it is VERY hard to read your comment.
THANK YOU , FRANK;enstein .It is the content that counts . I have found that all the intellectuals researching 911,do not know squat about the 911 Hearings ;They have also screwed up in their books ;including Dr Griffin , Phil Shenon . I am not Shakespeare ,and that is so short a comment ,bear with us the good detectives , Thank you again .
Here’s Dr. Wood’s PowerPoint presentation she did on my TV show called MEET THE TRUTH on June 29th, 2012. This show is entirely Dr Wood presenting her information/evidence with only a few interjections by the host and is just over 2 hours long. An important part to watch and listen to in the first 20 minutes of this presention are the firemen who lived through the destruction of one of the towers in Stairwell B. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRlYZ24kCSk&feature=youtu.be
Just a few points to consider.
1, 3 sides of the towers were undamaged.
2. Below the point of impact the building was 100% structurally sound.
3. Above the point of impact the building was undamaged.
4. The buildings outside structure was made of 14″ box columns. So how does 3mm aluminium destroy 8mm 14″ steel column.
5. Where was the soot in the lobby?
6. Where did the instant dust come from?
7. What happened to the WTC Spire?
8. This WTC collapse would run the 1/4 mile quicker than my Hayabusa, how is this so?
9. Barry Jennings, live interview google it.
10. Rudy G telling people at lunchtime that WTC will be coming down, how did he know that?
11, Rudy G was in London on the day of the 7/7 bombings, staying at the Kings Cross Hotel across from Kings Cross Station. Coincidence?
12. Buildings are over engineered by 300-400%.
Dear Morgan,
My name is Simon Shack. You may have – or may not have? – heard about my 9/11 research developed over this last half decade. As it is, I have been trying to contact you in the past – to no avail. Come to think of it, I feel lucky today not to have heard from you in all those years, seeing how this ‘no-planer community’ (of which you appear to be the most senior and ‘authoritative’ figure) keeps bickering in endless circles.
This is to thank you for never ever contacting me – thus keeping me well clear of these foolish theatrics enacting painfully obvious dog-and-pony shows featuring Jim Fetzer, Andrew Johnson, Richard Hall, Judy Wood, Ace Baker, Kevin Barrett, Rosalee Grable, Nico Haupt, (etc etc) and yourself.
For you to back Judy Wood’s “scientific research” which bases itself on digital, Hollywood imagery – makes me very wary about you, dear Morgan. On the basis of my longstanding 9/11 research efforts, I’d say that your job is to get the news media corporations of the hook, and to uphold the absurd Ace-Baker-paradigm which goes: “MOST OF THE 9/11 WAS IMAGERY WAS REAL – ONLY THE PLANES WERE INSERTED (OVER REAL IMAGERY).
I’ll sign off now, but let me submit one last, very simple question to you, Morgan : have you never watched a special fx Hollywood movie – such as Independence Day (1999)? I’m sure that you have. So, was Hollywood incapable of entirely creating (by digital means) the WTC tower collapses – as seen on TV in 2001? Of course not. Therefore, we cannot use any Hollywood imagery to make any sort of “scientific conclusions” – such as those put forth by this Judy Wood character.
The WTC towers were. more likely, simply pulled down with standard, conventional demolition explosives – such as those used every day all over the world. We have all been hypnotized by the fake Hollywwod imagery which was aired on TV that day. It is high time that we all cancel this doctored imagery form our minds – and start analyzing 9/11 in a rational and intelligent manner.
I hope you won’t mind me posting here the links to my website and to my discussion forum:
MY WEBSITE
http://septemberclues.info
MY FORUM
http://cluesforum.info
Have you read Dr Wood’s book “Where Did The Towers Go?”
Simon, just because you repeat something over and over again for years will not make it become true. Your claims of everything being fake are lacking IMO..
A regular controlled demo. Why just ASSUME that? Why not just assume that they took it apart with screw drivers while they had New York evacuated and only actors in place as you claim..lol. Why would the bath tub not be damaged if it was CD? Why would the debris be inadequate in size and impact if it was CD?
You sir IMO are in a deep pile of assumptions and speculations.. One of the most surprising things is the lack of peoples understanding in visual perspectives.
Your claim is everything is fake. So in order to Verify that you would need to show valid proof that every video, image, person involved, ect.. is all fake.. Falsifying that only requires 1 piece of evidence that proves real or non-fake evidence.
The claim that everything on 9/11 is real would fall under that same circumstance.
While I do believe manipulation of imagery was probably used I am not in the business of assuming everything is. . I conclude that you should immediately stop researching 9/11 if you conclude everything is fake. There is no purpose to it..
If you can show valid proof that every image or video is fake then fine otherwise you are only gonna have people ignoring your baseless claims. You saying that independence day was anything similar to 9/11 def makes me laugh. You obviously have little experience if any in producing or editing visual images.
Your approach to 9/11 reminds me of the religious approach. What you want to be real is real, what you want to be fake is fake, The Controlled demo story sounds cool so heck i’ll say that happened. Then the others who use physical evidence, I will call them crazy and lairs for using a different approach then my(your) baseless claims.
Again what is the point in spending anytime on 9/11 if you believe it all to be fake? How do you decide what to believe, what stories to have faith in? I just don’t get the point..
That’s a great reply. Kudos.
I think about possible motives of people that claim to seek the truth of what happened to the towers and building 7. (Not as many alleged truth seekers talk or write about buildings 4 and 6.) A person that has read “Where Did The Towers Go?” and disagrees with the evidence, to attain credibility, they need to put forth evidence that refutes the evidence as presented by Dr. Wood. To date, there is none that I have see.
zonsb is a perfect example of the shallow, ignorant frauds who support Judy Wood. I’ve given multiple links to proof that DEWs cannot explain, but he hasn’t bothered to read them so he can say that, “to dater, there is none [no evidence refuting Wood] that [he] has seen.” But if he were to take a look at “The Vancouver Hearings II”, he would find proof after proof, including, for example, this about speaker Jeff Prager:
* Jeff Prager, founder of an award winning magazine for Senior Citizens, in 2002 he tried to prove 19 Muslims hijacked four planes and attacked us. By 2005, he realized this was false, sold his business, left the US and began to investigate 9/11 full-time. (See his 9/11 America Nuked.) In “Proof of Ternary Fission in New York City on 9/11″ he observes (1) that dust samples are the best evidence of what happened on 9/11; (2) that the USGS samples taken over a dozen locations show how various elements interacted prove that fission reaction(s) had taken place; (3) that Multiple Myeloma in the general population at a rate of 3-9 incidents per 100,000 people, but the rate was 18 per 100,000 among first responders; (4) that other cancers relatively unusual cancers have appeared among the responders, including non-Hodgkins lymphoma, leukemia, thyroid, pancreatic, brain, prostate, esophageal and blood and plasma cancers; and (5) that, as of March 2011 no less than 1,003 first responders died from various cancers. The elements that have been found in these dust samples provide an astoinshing array of proof of nukes:
* Barium and Strontium: Neither of these elements should ever appear in building debris in these quantities. The levels never fall below 400ppm for Barium and they never drop below 700ppm for Strontium and reach over 3000ppm for both in the dust sample taken at Broadway and John Streets.
* Thorium and Uranium: These elements only exist in radioactive form. Thorium is a radioactive element formed from Uranium by decay. It’s very rare and should not be present in building rubble, ever. So once again we have verifiable evidence that a nuclear fission event has taken place.
* Lithium: With the presence of lithium we have compelling evidence that this fission pathway of Uranium to Thorium and Helium, with subsequent decay of the Helium into * Lithium has taken place.
* Lanthanum: Lanthanum is the next element in the disintegration pathway of the element Barium.
* Yttrium: The next decay element after Strontium, which further confirms the presence of Barium.
* Chromium: The presence of Chromium is one more “tell tale” signature of a nuclear detonation.
*Tritium: A very rare element and should not be found at concentrations 55 times normal the basement of WTC-6 no less than 11 days after 9/11, which is another “tell tale” sign of nukes.
This group is not simply “unscientific”, it is actually illiterate and unwilling to confront evidence that their preferred theory cannot accommodate. That is simply disgusting.
The list is almost never ending. Simon did good work which made people think. But is seems he could not follow all of the evidence to where it would lead him.
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=349&Itemid=60
Sad. When you have evidence, insults are completely redundant.
Well said Andrew
Simon,
I always was interested in the work you’ve done and watched many of your videos which I find very convincing (like 9/11 amateur part 2), but, sincerely, you really seem to be stuck in the middle by discrediting Dr. Wood’s work and not looking to all the available evidence. You’re instead acting like Ace Baker who thinks that he can explain every scientific phenomenon by video editing.
Well, since it’s all about “clues”, why don’t you take a look at this documentary :
How come 14 fire-fighters survived the “regular controlled demolition” whilst being INSIDE WTC1 in stairwell B during its demise? are they also paid Hollywood actors? and how come all the paper intact in the streets of NY wasn’t shredded or burned by the blasts and heat of the conventional explosives? and how come there’s so little rubble where both WTC (two 500 000 tons 110 stories buildings) used to stand (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7UW3ITle5Q), also, if the spire of WTC1 being literally turned to dust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W0-W582fNQ) is also a Hollywood fakery why all that amount of steel was never found on the ground??
“It is high time that we all cancel this doctored imagery from our minds – and start analysing 9/11 in a rational and intelligent manner”
Don’t forget that the “rational and intelligent manner” will be conditioned by your own limits! making mistakes won’t discredit you at all (we’re all human beings and we all make mistakes), but ignoring the evidence will.
Sincerely.
Below is a screengrab of an ‘amateur’ video credited To Luc Courchesne
http://www.therealnewsonline.com/uploads/6/5/2/9/6529494/___7710738.jpg?769
Below is a screengrab of the Michael Herzakhani video given to CNN:
http://www.therealnewsonline.com/uploads/6/5/2/9/6529494/_9354114.jpg?889
Bellow is a screengrab of a video credited to Jennifer Spell:
Three images from three different ‘amateur’ photographers taken of the same ‘event.’ All three images are blatantly obviously fakes (and this is only the beginning since every last pro and ‘amateur video’ is also fake), therefore the videos they are in are manufactured fakes and their makers claiming the videos to be authentic are liars. The TV networks that aired all 3 of these crude fake videos and many more as ‘authentic’ are then also proven to be liars and therefore everything else they ever said about 9-11 would carry no weight as testimony in any proper court of law.
falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
False in one particular, false in everything.
This principle of Roman law is still respected and has been appropriated by other disciplines. The concept is that if a witness has been shown to lie in one particular respect in a case, he is not to be trusted in anything else he says. This is why it is important for attorneys to impeach opposing witnesses in court: it discredits the rest of their testimony. The object behind the principle is to reject questionable testimony (even if it might be true) before accepting falsehood into evidence.
The legal principles of interrogating witnesses have been drawn into the task of evaluating historical sources. Just as a witness in court can be impeached by being shown to have lied, an historical source likewise loses much of its authority if its author can be shown to have deliberately falsified something–how can we trust an author concerning fact X when we know him to have lied about fact Y? Such an author may corroborate something a better witness says, but has forfeited our trust where he speaks without corroboration.
http://everything2.com/title/falsus+in+uno%252C+falsus+in+omnibus
That’s right. Once you have been conclusively proven to have lied once, you cannot be trusted in anything else and your entire testimony is discredited.
So, the only problem is and has always been, that we simply DO NOT HAVE any proper courts of law or a justice system that will actually carry out justice against the people behind this gigantic PsyOp because they themselves are bought and paid for an part of the PsyOp. It is glaringly obvious who the culprits were in the PsyOp of 9-11, mainly the owners of the entire world’s mass-media apparatus.
As for the problem of ‘how the 9 towers were brought down,’ this question becomes quite irrelevant when you realize that how fake the imagery of the towers and ‘jumpers’ were. The 3 posts by Simon Shack on this page completely expose the crude fakery of the tower imagery and the ‘jumpers’ :
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2374833#p2374833
and once again we are back to:
falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
False in one particular, false in everything.
And let’s not forget the annoying fact that it has never been proven conclusively that even one person died in those nine WTC demolitions. Only three of these demolitions actually made an appearance on faked video, two as absurd top-down demolitions, one as ‘standard’ demo, the other six, mysteriously invisible to all.
“I did an exhaustive check of the list of victims provided on the CNN website. What I found is that [b]out of 2,970 people listed, only 446 appear in the Social Security death index. Of those only 249 have a confirmed death certificate on file. Of those, not a single one has a valid “last address of record” on file.”[/b]~ Ersun Warncke, Salem News – Independent confirmation of the ‘Vicsims Report’ – 9/11 Reflections Part 2: Interview with Simon Shack of September Clues
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september122010/911-reflections-ew.php
So, NOT A SINGLE ONE of any of the so-called 9-11 ‘victims’ has ever had a ‘last address of record’ on file. No one even knows where they really lived, and DESPITE THIS, without the slightest investigation or checking of facts, almost everyone in the world just takes the media’s word for it that these people really existed and really died, and that the clowns on TV pretending to be their ‘grieving relatives,’ really are who they say they are.
The 9/11 VicSims Report – An Introduction
http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims.htm
Click to access 9-11-9%20the%20Vicsim%20Report.pdf
911 ACTORS – Simon Shack
SSDI = Social Security Death Index
Neither of the first two people Bob McIlvaine and Marsh-O’Connor are sobbing over on multiple media channels in the above video are even on the social security death index, never mind that they certainly do not have death certificates.
Try putting the names of anybody you know that has died (unique names are much easier to find, with a common name you’ll have to go through thousands of names sometimes), in the SSDI and see if doesn’t come up:
http://www.socialsecuritydeathindex-search.com/
9-11 PROPAGANDA – Simon Shack
LOL @ zonsb! John Hutchison doen’t need Fetzer to trash him, he’s a known fraud for 25 years.
Nukes and/or thermite would have been very obvious due to incandescent temperatures. Thermite reacts at the same temperature as a lightbulb filament, and Nuclear Reactions, 8 million degrees. There was no substantial heat, and no molten metal, so I don’t agree with Fetzer there, but he has worked harder to bring Judy’s, Morgan’s and Ace Baker’s most excellent work to the public than anyone. So, you all stab him in the back? You are three good scientists who are really nasty people.
If humanity is to survive we need to work together! The criminals that are elected to office, the complicit news media, and a brain dead public are bad enough, but when scientists resort to name calling and idiotic behavior, I have little hope that we will solve the major problems that are facing us. We all know the OCT of 9/11 is a tapestry of lies. It is of little consequence compared to the problem of hundreds of tons each of the most deadly radioactive isotopes sitting at over 800 nuclear facilities. It is a problem that WILL take out our species and 9 million others. So, scientists, that is the most important problem that has NO solution. I suggest you get to work on that, and sort out your petty differences later.
Blessings, Shallel
“LOL @ zonsb! John Hutchison doen’t need Fetzer to trash him, he’s a known fraud for 25 years.”
The jokes on you, by you, due to your ignorance.
Guess so…
“LOL @ zonsb! John Hutchison doen’t need Fetzer to trash him, he’s a known fraud for 25 years.”
Well, I suppose I should state that Shallel has been an UNKNOWN fraud (and still is) for at least 6 years. I guess we’ve all heard of the “Shallel” effect, right?
I am sorry you want to help the cover up of weaponised free energy – really I am.
Andrew, please crawl back into your hole before a bird eats you.
I do not deceive people, nor do I want to cover up or discourage the many legitimate researchers in the field of new energy. John only serves his MIC handlers to discredit those who are trying to better this planet and risking their lives to break the grip of those who have weaponized the solution to humanities greatest problems. I am sorry that you are unaware of the true state of this research – really I am.
The “Shallel” effect has been long known to levitate deceptive and nasty people to proper scientific scrutiny, and his energy to do so is freely provided.
Why do you write so inconsistently? See above for:
“Blessings, Shallel”
Then: “Andrew, please crawl back into your hole before a bird eats you.”
Why don’t you just stick to the evidence – such as John Hutchison’s affidavit to the court of the Southern DIstrict of New York in 2008?
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/JJ8.html
Is Shallel your real name? Apologies if it is – but nevertheless, why don’t you talk about evidence instead of making disparaging remarks about a talented experimental physicist who was visited by Col John Alexander in 1983.
http://www.thehutchisoneffect.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=51
Have you got a page of radio interviews like this? What have you done, Shallel? Typed insulting remarks to people on the internet?
I’ve always enjoyed hearing Dr. Reynolds on Fetzer. One of the best, most logical and thoughtful guests. To that end I don’t think I’ve heard him address complete media fakery, ie. all images and video of 9/11 were done in a studio. What we saw the towers do that day was complete Hollywood fakery. All the fighting between so-called “truthers” is distraction from the real point: that this psyop is orchestrated from left to right, top to bottom.
And as Dr. Morgan said once in an interview : “the plane fraud is even more important than the kind of technology they used to dustify the WTC”! Those who got control of the mainstream media can psyop people whenever they want and all the theories supporting “planes” crashing into WTC simply help reinforcing and perpetuating the myth thus distracting people from the real issues.
Knowing personally and working with Jim Fetzer, Richard Gage, David Ray Griffin, Kevin Barrett, and Bob Bowman over the past 6 years or more (I had dinner with all of them, I had all of them as guests on my cable access show called MEET THE TRUTH and I sponsored speaking events for all of them in my hometown of Milwaukee, WI) I now have to question why they all discredit the research work of Dr Judy Wood either by failing to report on it or by attacking it. It’s no coincidence that they all fit together into one of these two categories or both. I also have to include Steven Jones who I met in 2006 and had dinner with, but I never worked with him. I have now come to the conclusion that all of these people I named have lost their integrity with me when it comes to searching for the truth about 9/11. I can name other prominent names I have had communication with over the past 2 years and I have to question why, if they were truely independent truthseekers, they can’t take the time to read Dr Wood’s book and use logic and critical thinking skills to evaluate her empirical evidence. I can only conclude after 2 years of her book being available to them that they all are involved in this 9/11 truth movement for more reasons than discovering the truth.
This blog was written by Matthew R Naus.
That is a logical question ;it is also logical to question Flight 93 from the perspective of ,was it shot down (Rumsfeld ,National Geographic .) ? How explain the hole at Shanksville . A plane shot down , would not create the same hole , as an intact aircract would . WOOD it .
Since Judy and especially Morgan badgered me into studying the crash sites, I have been an advocate for NPT (“No Plan Theory”), which maintains that none of the designated air craft crashed on 9/11 and that all four of the crash sites have been fabricated or faked:
“9/11: Planes/No Planes and ‘Video Fakery’”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/20/911-planesno-planes-and-video-fakery/
“The 9/11 Passenger Paradox: What happened to Flight 93?” (with Dean Hartwell)
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/15/the-911-passenger-paradox-what-happened-to-flight-93/
“Reason and Rationality in Public Debate: The Case of Rob Balsamo”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04/01/reason-and-rationality-in-public-debate-the-case-of-rob-balsamo/
“The ‘official account of the Pentagon attack is a fantasy” (with Dennis Cimino) http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2012/06/official-account-of-pentagon-attack-is.html
“Were the 9/11 crash sites faked?” (Seattle, WA, 13 June 2012):
Part 1
http://archive.org/details/scm-75926-drjamesfetzerinseattlejune1320
Part 2
http://archive.org/details/scm-75938-drjamesfetzerinseattlejune1320
“Fakery and Fraud in the ‘Official Account’ of 9/11”
http://donaldfox.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/jim-fetzers-vancouver-powerpoint/
“9/11 Truth will out: The Vancouver Hearings I”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/07/911-truth-will-out-the-vancouver-hearings-i/
Among my most recent presentations on the Twin Towers and faking the crash sites,
“The Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference, Part 2”
Great Article Morgan,
” Want to find out who really rules over you? Find out who you can’t criticize “. … Voltaire
PLEASE HOLD THE NEXT BIG CONFERENCE IN TORONTO AT THE NEW BLOOR CINEMA MANY THANKS JIM AND MORGAN KEEP THE FAITH.
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:30:49 +0000 To: danielyoung56@msn.com
What is also peculiar is Fetzer’s apparent ability to get people to sympathise with him:
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=352&Itemid=60
Who is this guy? If he’s not an Op of some kind (a generic term) he is sure behaving like one… and apparently encourages others to do the same?
i agree with you morgan that this whole sidebar is a waste of time
i don’t quite get the fuss about fetzer when we agree that his opinions are a pile of batguano, who cares what his motives are
dr wood has taken her show on the road this last year and has reached a number of new audiences both here and in europe and that is what is important
as for pete’s show – i thought he was courageous enough to have her on, was familiar with her material but maybe he was a little too supportive – dr wood doesn’t need that but it is much better than the viscous attacks she has had to endure in getting her work out into the public for once
his show with her was several hours of air time and the aftershow was good too and that forum was a great opportunity for her to get into her work in detail and she did a great job of it
her website is featuring her presentation at the breakthrough energy movement that was held in holland last fall and it is a flawless performance on her part – check it out http://www.drjudywood.com/ its right at the top of the page
people try to paint her as having lost her mind or worse but she is one of the most rational and disciplined people i hear on 9/11, along with you morgan
as far as i.m concerned she is the pre-eminent expert on 9/11 bar none excepting the folks who pulled it off maybe
her work over the years has been consistent and scientific and no one can detract from that
she has enhanced her presentation to include more of the energy weapons concepts and she finally, and rightfully, has responded to the shills like fetzer and jones
she has done the work, she has done the math and she has presented it all in her book where did the towers go (also available on her web site) and with all due respect everyone who hasn’t read it – just shut up for a minute and read the damn thing
i would like to see some serious refutation of her work – which to date no one has ever done
as for pete santilli i think he found himself with one of the best subjects he ever had on his show and he kind of went overboard a little in vaguely insinuating some weirdness around Michael Zebuhr’s muder, tragedy that it was
implying that fetzer’s behavior was “odd” is implying some kind of guilt and that was over the line, god help us all if acting odd is in and of itself a criminal confession
dr wood says – hot things glow but not everything that glows is hot – we can also say that criminals act odd but not everyone who acts odd is a criminal
i wouldn’t argue that fetzer isn’t odd
btw. morgan i thought that your appearance on pete’s show was a little flat because pete doesn’t quite know where to go with this information at the moment, in my opinion. as we all know the implications are huge
what is important though is dr wood’s work
when fetzer or jones come up with some kind of rational critique of the work well we can listen to them then
and that’s if and when
in the meantime as i said – who cares
You are so right, Jones and Fetzer are part of the problem, not the solution. Just waiting…
“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”
–Vladimir Ilyich Lenin & The real 911 conspirators
Phew! These posts are few and far between! Do you realize how many people are counting on the crusader of 911 to make some headway on this hoax? I don’t either but I’m one of them. I ask you, mr. Reynolds, how long can this go on? How is it that that architect what’s-his-name can go running around the country doing his AE911 presentations (ok, ok, he’s dis-info, but still!) and yet whenever I talk to someone about the hoax of the century I get looked at like I’m from Mars. I mean, really, one look at the towers’ destruction (I didn’t say collapse) tells anyone that what they are looking at is a C.D. I guess my real point is, molecular disassociation notwithstanding, how much does it matter if J. Fetzer or S. Jones or A. Jones or J. Ventura or J. Mars or D. Icke are dis-info if no one that I corner has ever even considered that O. Bin Laden is perfectly innocent and that the whole thing is a massive military/media hoax, which is exactly what all of them say? As far as I’m concerned, they are all far to this side of the dividing line.
As Morgan has so aptly demonstrated via empirical evidence, a person need look no further than the alleged plane crashes to know there was a hoax. Next stop is Dr. Judy Wood’s work to know what happened to the WTC complex, especial the towers and bldg 7. The OGCT is the most outlandish conspiracy theory in history. As much as a sieve doesn’t hold water.
It matters what is the truth and what isn’t. It is vital, in understanding what happened on 911, to understand the energy connection – which runs exactly through the middle of Steven E Jones. Next question.
Yes, I understand that it is important to get to the truth and that is certainly what Judy is pointing out, molecular disassociation. Where I am playing the devil’s advocate is: if all the rest are the controlled opposition how do they benefit the perpetrators when they are yelling from the roof tops that it weren’t OBL and co. but an inside job? Are they (S. Jones, R. Gage, J. Fetzer) indeed controlled by others above the administration and therefore don’t care about the chorus of inside job? Is the strategy to have so many manufactured theories as to sow confusion? (‘Cause it’s working). And, what do you know of Philip Marshall with his story line of real high-jackings? (Is this terrible tragedy last Sat. connected?)
Gosh – you completely glossed over “cold fusion” in your response! Why would that be? (A rhetorical question – it was clear from your original comment you would not want to talk about such facts).
Andrew, your response is quite baffling, I don’t know what on earth you’re on about. I get the issue of dis-info agents directing the trail away from free energy but aren’t they also sounding the alarm of inside job to millions who otherwise would never have a thought about it? Here you have Gage doing multi city tours screaming out about an inside job and so he’s controlled by the perps? Is it that the perps have zero fear of this becoming mainstream? That’s all I’m getting at; I don’t know what you’re on about with bringing up cold fusion.
So, you have no idea what I am on about? Well, here’s “a clue for you all”
(the walrus was not Paul – it was Steven E Jones). Jones appeared on the 9/11 truth scene when the NIST/WTC reports came out in Aug/Sep 2005. I suggest you try to get hold of a copy of Dr Mallove’s book “Fire from Ice”. Of course, the raised tritium levels (50 times normal) are just a coincidence too. If you don’t know “what I am on about”, why don’t you try and find out, or are you just someone who doesn’t want the whole truth?
I hear you knowing about the free energy connection and it’s importance. That said, there is the type person that, aside from their valuable contributions there’s a character trait analogous to: To a hammer everything looks like a nail. Don’t hold your breath waiting for them to acknowledge their error and make correction.
lets hope so,: but the poor souls who cannot tell that these buildings were done in by anything other than planes ; will not fade away . What’s the solution . c.bush AE ?whatever they are ,they are simply interested in themselves .They would/ will never listen to someone else ,especially if they not ” literary “giants . Most educated people do not want advice from a JANITOR . right
You make an excellent point about Osama bin Laden, who was our man in Afghanistan:
“9/11: Have we been bamboozled?”
http://commonground.ca/2012/06/911-bamboozle/
“9/11: Have we been bamboozled?”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/29/911-have-we-been-bamboozled-2/
“Zero Dark Thirty: The deeper, darker truths”
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/01/18/284178/obama-propaganda-of-zero-dark-thirty/
Judy and A&E911 need to explain who was responsible and why at some point in time:
“Peeling the 9/11 Onion: Layers of Plots within Plots”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/14/peeling-the-911-onion-layers-of-plots-within-plots/
“James H. Fetzer: 9/11 IRAN REVIEW interview”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/13/james-h-fetzer-911-iran-review-interview/
“James Henry Fetzer: 9/11 was created by CIA, Neo-Cons and Mossad”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/12/james-henry-fetzer-911-was-created-by-cia-neo-cons-and-mossad/
Thank you Dr. Reynolds ! Your article is very telling.
I am not going to make any scientific comments ,for lack of knowledge in that field . Fetzer did send me a bunch of URL’s ,to check out his work . Whatever reason i had ,i did not open any . Morgan is correct in the disinfo part of the 911 Truthers . I left a message along time ago about people like this . Jones ,Ventura ,etc. etc. ,want publicity and money / . I, on the other hand ,will never make money on my theory ,but will leave it in good hands . I know a bunch of people in the 911 movements , many have recommended Doctor Judy Wood , as far back as 2009. Because i have a difficult time reading and writing ,intelligently , i took their word for it . There might be quite a few others out there ,so ,what i have done is take the names mentioned in their articles ,;researching them and their back ground . .
IMO, money is too often attributed as motive. Integrity is critical. Jesse Ventura has integrity, Jones doesn’t.
Did the towers turn to dust, or did they not? Look at who will talk about that, who will agree with that and go from there. Not much reading, initially, is required. Just observation.
Fetzer’s solid understanding of scientific method and philosophic underpinning is not consistent with his seeming knee-jerk reactions to no-plane “theory”/fact, not giving the requisite time to study Dr. Judy Wood’s work and trashing John Hutchinson. It’s news to me that he facilitated the Jenkins’ “interview”.
Could Fetzer have a career-advancement motive for his fence straddling? I don’t think so. As it is, he’s in too deep to be concerned about career advancement or being shunned career wise in the eyes of those that would be in a position to open doors of opportunity to him.
He appears to me to be controlled opposition and expert in limited hangout strategy. If that be the case, it would be advantageous to a career working for the bad guys.
More absurd rubbish from zonsb. I did not “facilitate” Jenkins’ “interview” and nearly came to blows with him over what I regarded as his abusive treatment of Judy there.
I cannot be “advancing my career”, since I retired in 2006. I do not “straddle fences” and it would difficult to find any case at all where I did so. This is complete and utter trash.
I have done more to expose government corruption in the case JFK, 9/11, Wellstone and a host of other issues than all of my critics combined. Do some research, for a change.
Here’s my latest on Sandy Hook and the Boston bombing as an illustration of my recent efforts: “Rejoice for Christmas: No one died at Sandy Hook or at the Boston bombing”, http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12/24/rejoice-for-christmas-no-one-died-at-sandy-hook-or-at-the-boston-bombing/ But it appears futile to post links, since even Joseph seems to take pride in NOT OPENING THEM. So much for reason and rationality here.